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Big_L · Jul 07, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

Now who is judgemental?

heh, nice catch. report me

Meo Yeong · Jul 07, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Smoke

This is just one of the morons i come across daily, those kids should be warned and then banned if they reoffend.
My friends kids play this game and in no way anyone wants their kids exposed to such things.

This is just a screenshot of what the moron was saying, and trust me therewas worst things.

You realize that they are just copying a tv show in what they are doing there thus why they think its right.

South Park - 209 - Chef`s Salty Chocolate Balls

eudas · Jul 07, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Old news.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

eudas

Eviance · Jul 07, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by Erasculio

Oh, you do.

There's a nice tab in the GW website called Support. In there, there's a place where you can write to the GW team, and one of the options to talk about is, "Report a Violation".

Do you use it?

"No, it's not in game" - if you are going to answer that, stop being lazy. You have the means to "don't accept" the rudeness you see in game, if you don't use it, well, you are being either lazy or hipocrite when you say you won't accept it. It takes as long to report something there as it takes to make a post here...So instead of complaining about how WoW is better (

), either do something to stop it, or quit whining.

(Oh, and just take a look at the WoW Forum, and you'll see how the "social atmosphere" there is healthy.)

Erasculio

(I have never played WoW so I wouldn't know... and I don't believe I mentioned it in this thread at all o_O)

I have found in my "reportings" that the only time it gets taken seriously is if someone impersonates a GM. Every other time it was handled by a computer and I put that person on my list and left them there for several weeks... Nothing was done... The person impersonating the GM was either banned or something because within a few days he was no longer on my list. (I have 3 kids, I don't have time like some to spend all day in game... A post like this tho I can walk away and come back to which is the reason I never responded to your post till now.) However if ya wanna hold that against me *shrugs* I really don't mind

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And Tian Ak might have been playing badly in some peoples opinions but there is certainly a difference between: "I would just stop healing you!", and saying "Hun your armor level isn't good enough for you to play tank, if you want me to heal you, please get a bow and stay back here with the casters."

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Oh well this might come as a personal attack on some but I'm just itching to say it *scratch*

I think that those who oppose a better game life are indeed at fault of being jerks in some way shape or manner themselves and are afraid that if the rules change and they are patrolled more largely that they themselves will get banned temporarily if not permanently. They like being jerks to the underdog. They like scaring off competition. And I am willing to bet that they don't think that they were ever once a newb either. And lastly I'm almost 99% certain that they are your common leavers after getting their caps, after they die once in a mission due to their own stupidity and so forth....

Hey LOOKIE I'M FLAME BAIT!

And I am not a casual gamer persay but I cannot afford the monthly fee, or I would be playing a more friendly enviroment. I agree that there are jerks everywhere and that you cannot do everything to stop them, but it can be helped and if it's not tried then we don't know do we?

I think when our guildies spend their days in Ascalon helping people, we will also take down names and times for those who want us to be report happy instead of playing.... (No biggie if this cuts into "help" time for the new people....) And thusly you will have your good citizens for the day

goober1973 · Jul 07, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Ken Dei

with A.Net's help, institute in game moderators made up of the more reputable portion of the player base.

This idea has been echod in a few other posts. What I'd like to know is, what constitutes a reputable person? Who decides? I fear that I may have an idea what Ken Dei and others mean but I'd like them to qualify their remarks in the hopes that I'm wrong.

Seissor · Jul 07, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

-Bad behavior

-School holidays

Coincidence? I think not.

Immature kiddies play games. Yes
Aggressive wankers play games. Yes
Highly competitive ppl with no life or real life achievements play games. Yes
Rascist/Sexists play games. Yes

Its a general natural law that assholes will make themselves heard above descent people. During the school break period, people with a more immature imposition jump on to play. Resulting in what I like to cool F****kwit fest 2006.

It could be worse...you could be a girl on AOL and receive endless IM's and emails...

-ASL
-Got Pics
-Got Nudes
-Wanna cyber
-wanna cam
-wanna phone sex
-why no nudes?
-gimme nudes
-you horny?
-what you wearing?
-can i have nudes?
-plz can i have nudes?

Also as for ppl not replying "sold it sorry" Im guilty of this sometimes, but only sometimes. I usually say sorry, sold. But the other day I didnt, because ppl were talking to me in guild chat, alliance chat, ppl were spamming emotes in LA, all chat was being spammed and about 6ppl responded to my sale. Making keeping track of it all annoying.

And really, if you dont hear back from someone promptly, it means they arent interested anymore.

Flip99 · Jul 07, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Well, hundreds of thousands of players have tried GW and most of them probably are nice and polite at all times. But, some are generaly mean-spirited, annoying, obnoxious, dis-honest etc...

Problem is that, Nice people don't "Run Off" people , but Nice people do tend to.. "Get Run-Off". And, Mean people tend to Run Off nice people while not being run-off by other mean people. So, I suppose the math may show that the number of mean people in GW is on a steady increase, while the number of nice people is rather instable.

A nice-guy is only going to be able to tolerate GW mean-guys if he/she gets lucky and finds a Guild of nice people... then perhaps the jerks can generaly be ignored. Of course.. Local-Chat must be turned OFF at all times.

I would propose that Anet offer 'GW-Platinum' for say.. $15 per month. Then, those of us who want a more mature experiance, and can afford it.. can segregate ourselves from the masses who play-for-free and behave in any manner that they choose, without consequence. So, offer the no-fee version as-is, and also offer a pay-to-play version with active "Moderators" who deal with the silly stuff !! Great game , infested with nasty people... such a Pity.

Priest Of Sin · Jul 07, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

you still have good ol' trustworthy me

But seriously, it is getting a little out of hand. But you have to be forgiving, this isn't the DDO community. I'd say more, but I can't seem to form a coherent thought at the moment...

Silent Kitty · Jul 07, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Seissor

-ASL
-Got Pics
-Got Nudes
-Wanna cyber
-wanna cam
-wanna phone sex
-why no nudes?
-gimme nudes
-you horny?
-what you wearing?
-can i have nudes?
-plz can i have nudes?

Must be the same person who is messaging me

I ignore, or take an other msn, sometimes.

Big_L · Jul 07, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Eviance

I think that those who oppose a better game life are indeed at fault of being jerks in some way shape or manner themselves and are afraid that if the rules change and they are patrolled more largely that they themselves will get banned temporarily if not permanently. They like being jerks to the underdog. They like scaring off competition. And I am willing to bet that they don't think that they were ever once a newb either. And lastly I'm almost 99% certain that they are your common leavers after getting their caps, after they die once in a mission due to their own stupidity and so forth....

Hey LOOKIE I'M FLAME BAIT!

You misinterpret my motives. I do not "oppose a better game life" at all. In fact, I hope to improve it. The source of argument in this case is the different definitions of "better game life." In my personal opinion, adding more restrictions on player behavior, implementing in game "police," and similar suggestions would WORSEN game life, despite getting rid of a few "jerks."

As for the flamebait quoted above, I'll ignore it as these kinds of statements have already been addressed. However, I will say that I could just have easily whipped up some blanket generalized statements about in game manner nazis and Tipper Gore references. My point is, you aren't helping your arguments about manners by stereotyping people and inticing them to flame you. (maybe there is a correlation with the way you treat people in game and them being "jerks" to you?) All I mean is, people dont respond well when you act like their mother, despite how great a mother you may be in real life.

Pkest · Jul 07, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Seems like complaining about other people's behavior is a waste of breath. If you see someone trying to mislead or scam simply remind the district of the correct info. (ie 'dragon masks are customized so can't be used if purchased' or Monastery credits can be traded for something worth 100g so don't sell them for 50' etc) If enough people take a bit of time to help out and be a positive force that will outweigh a lot of the negatives.

Don't like what someone is saying or the way they talk? Well, that's what ignore is there for. Or the chat filter.

The 'dropping out of missions after capping' thing is annoying and could perhaps be fixed if anet allowed a dropped party member to be replaced by a hench of the same primary without having to restart. But ulitmately this sort of behavior just encourages people to find and join guilds so they have some trusted people to play with.

Eviance · Jul 07, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Big L, I appreciate your opinion and most importantly the way you stated it.... Sorry I got a bit "flamed" earlier and since most of the thread seems to be going that way, I was just stating "Go ahead, I really don't care."

However I don't act like a mother ingame, but there is nothing wrong with constructive critism. Most people do not have the intellegence to be constructive, they just beat people down. My husband and I run our guild... We have our grown up friends, we have some in our guild that are just annoying 11yr olds. However no matter where we play together or what we do, we do it with class. You will never see any of our guild mates talking smack unless its to each other and all in fun.

I've gone into HoH been smacktalked all to heck and back and my response: Show some class for what you are worth. If people are that leet they don't need to be rude, their actions will speak for themselves. I actually had a group leader appologise for the behavior of one of their members even after they toasted our tails. The fact is, people don't have to be rude, but they do it and whats worse is when they do it and can't back it up, but then continue to spam whisper about how two more seconds and they would have F*CKED YOU UP! and to S*CK their C*CKS! I mean... why? There isn't a point, we don't spam them back saying HA HA WE KICKED YOUR BUUTT!

I just say "Yeah you showed me eh? Show some class for yourself and don't be a jerk."

And occassionally but rarely, I get an "I'm sorry, so many people are jerks, it just seems that I should follow suit, gg."
Some people are jerks because the general population is, why can't we ask for people to be more responsible for their actions? Sometimes calling them out in private you get to the heart of the matter and can make a difference. If this is mothering, then maybe that's what they need?

In a totally seperate case I had a guildie who at lvl 9 necro didn't know anything about resetting skills, he thought that the ones he was given were what he had to work with. He didn't know about setting attribute points... It took a 2hr sitdown to get him sorted out. I think very few in here can honestly say they would have taken the time to help this person through their issues. Shoot the reason he was playing was because a friend of his had the game (grown person here) and even their friend said: I just don't know where to start -_-

Then you have power hungry warriors that don't know what the flip they are doing but think they are all that and then some, but have never really played.... We took that one down to FoW and UW and said: Tank!
He couldn't do it... Finally after 9k blown by us he said... I can't do this anymore and logged for a while.... Later he came back and thanked us and asked to be taught. He hates playing "tank" but he is one of the best tanks I know and he isn't the smart ass he used to be.

No I cannot fix them all one by one and I don't think any of us can. However being "nice" from the start and not making them feel lower than dirt because they are inept will help a great many. It is possible to put "intellegent" GMs into the game that aren't there to be power hungry with their ban hammers! I don't think its too much to ask.

Someone earlier was talking about people having a debate about gay marriage and such and others flaming and so forth... You don't wanna know what my leader and guildies "did" BUT they took part in the debate on an intellectual level and had a few people take a change of heart, at least in the way they were acting...

IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT MUCH!!!

However going and being an ass to an ass isn't going to change anything! If simple means of talking to that person isn't enough then they are likely a lost cause and likely should be banned. It is that simple.

My views and opinions don't have to be yours, but I am allowed to have them just the same as you, which also means I don't have to agree with you and vise versa. If people want to fight injustice then let them, it's their uphill battle not yours. Being a jerk is an easy ball to roll and shows little courage to start it. Fighting it is a totally different story.

[No spelling checks or grammar checks are ever included in my posts, take it as you will.]

echo envitas · Jul 07, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by tear

Insults are bad, yes, and you can be banned for them (I have once) - but not responding to whispers, leaving games, and misleading people? You want these to be punishable offenses?

Are you serious?

Every little thing you have a problem with isn't necessarily a call for justice by authority. If you haven't thick enough skin to deal with the slighest of annoyances, perhaps you should step away and take a short breather, or remove yourself from any form of social interaction, forever.

Wow that was nasty. Look, I never said people should be banned for not responding to whispers, leaving games, etc. that's just insane. They could have perfectly valid reasons for doing so. You're mixing up comments from other people with mine.
I just wanted to comment on the degrading community in-game, due to lack of any accountability.
It's funny how people skim these threads and mix up responses... Someone else said the OP (me) started this thread just because someone ditched out on an Elite capping run. Well, that's never happened to me, I never said it did, and I certainly didn't start a thread because of it.

What has been happening to me lately includes seeing people called queers, faggots, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs and of course noobs many times a day.
Just last night someone advertised purple dye for sale for 100g in pre-searing so I respond, then the person left the outpost. I looked for him for a few minutes and then tried inviting him, but he was gone. I asked him which district - American 1 - same as mine. Then he kept whispering me asking me what was going on, he was there waiting, this went on for awhile. I guess he's one of the ones who stay in Pre-Searing just to screw over and mess with others, thinking they are all newbies.
During the festival, when Shiro came out he got met with cries of STFU and F*** you - which really make the experience sooo much nicer. Really.
Then when some people asked a question in Shing Jei Monastery they got flamed for 10 minutes.

I'll just stop, these are only the most recent occurances. People can do what they want and I can complain, make posts in forums and do what I can to make this a better game.

Saying that someone needs to be more thick skinned or drop of out society all togther, because she wants to better things is crazy. Would you have said that to Martin Luther King Jr. or Abraham Lincoln? I can "deal with things" just fine, its just that I choose to confront things I don't like and try to change them.

Anyway, all I'm saying is alittle in-game moderation, or something, would add so much to the game. It would make the game a better place to be and hopefully make it last longer. I wanted to have a conversation about it, and to make sure ANET saw it.
Some of you argueing the point in this thread are either just posteuring for the sake of argument, or are culprits yourselves. This thread isn't about whether the in-game community sucks - it does. This thread is about what to do about it. That fact that we can't even try have a conversation about this, without flaming and abuse really speaks to the problem.

Oh and great posts Ken and Demesis!

Medion · Jul 07, 2006, 05:08 PM // 17:08

What I don't understand...why moderating (more then is done now)?

I think that if you ignore those shittalkers, they'll stop. But because there are people that respond to those shittalkers, they have an 'audience'. If they don't have an audience, then what's the fun in shittalking for them? Moderating very much may help, but I don't know if that's the real solution. Because there will always be shittalkers. If you just ignore the shittalkers in your district, then you have helped, while it didn't make you do things extra. Ofcourse the scammers and such are a different problem, though I don't think having extra moderators would help there either.

inscribed · Jul 07, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Any form of in game 'police' or other moderation will get severly abused. Hell, I'd be one of the first to do it.

Give me a chance to punish people at whim? Damn right I'll take it. I would act as nice and 'reputable' as I needed to, just to become one. Not a thing any of you could do about it either. Then, you wouldn't only have to deal with jerks (trust me, they'd still exist), but then you'd have to deal with moderators who decide to start flaunting their power some (again, it would definitely happen). Do you really want that?

The system they have in place is fine as it is. If you see someone acting questionably, quit being lazy and report them, let Anet take care of it. End of story, nothing left to say.

echo envitas · Jul 07, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Medion

What I don't understand...why moderating (more then is done now)?

I think that if you ignore those shittalkers, they'll stop. But because there are people that respond to those shittalkers, they have an 'audience'. If they don't have an audience, then what's the fun in shittalking for them? Moderating very much may help, but I don't know if that's the real solution. Because there will always be shittalkers. If you just ignore the shittalkers in your district, then you have helped, while it didn't make you do things extra. Ofcourse the scammers and such are a different problem, though I don't think having extra moderators would help there either.

Ignoring them is the LAST thing you should do. Then they are encouraged to do it more, because they can get away with it. We need to call people out who are trying to con others or being jerks. I'm not talking about kids being alittle silly, I think many have missed that point. I see alot of outright maliciousness going on and that needs to end. Lying down and taking it will NOT make it stop.
Inscribed, I agree that having normal players act as in-game police probably has too much potential for abuse. I was talking about ANET employees acting as GMs. If not that, something else could be done.
But the system is not fine as it is now, as evidenced by this thread and everyone posting in it.

Ken Dei · Jul 07, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by goober1973

This idea has been echod in a few other posts. What I'd like to know is, what constitutes a reputable person? Who decides? I fear that I may have an idea what Ken Dei and others mean but I'd like them to qualify their remarks in the hopes that I'm wrong.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to expand, it is greatly appreciated.

Obviously, "what makes a good person?" is one of those wonderfully annoying abstract question to which the answer must be carefully constructed and analysed.

Actually, what is really hard isn't the qualifications. "Good people" generally are friendly, if not outgoing. Aren't racist, aren't biggots, aren't sexist or derogotory. They don't swear excessively, and don't seek to scam others.

Good people tend to try and make things around them better. They seek to stand tall when they have power, but do their best to cast as small a shadow over everyone else as possible. (I.e. don't wield their power at a "whim".)

The hard part is determining who is truely qualified, and who is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

The system would be messy at first, I'll be the first to admit that. It would be hit or miss on educated guesses about the true natures of people.

But in truth, and I think just about anyone can agree with this; it is easier to keep an eye on a small group of people out in the open, (The player GMs) as opposed to the sea of the anonymous masses. (What we have now.)

Now, to dispel any thoughts that I propose the idea based on a personal fantasy of smiting my enemies with mod powers under the pretense of justice.

I would not apply for a Player GM position. I already know that my temperment is not well suited for the job, I would be medicore and overly aggressive at best. (Yes, I can hear the collective sigh of relief.)

But I still think there are people out there, in this community who are suited for such a task and would do a fine job of it. And if they don't A.net can pick em out, and kick em out fast because their abuses will be more obvious.

I hope that relaxes some muscles and alliviates some terrifying notions of a "police state"

AhuraMazda · Jul 07, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

I agree with the OP, this game is getting rediculously poor, and has the worst ingame chat of any online I have ever played.

There is no excuse for logging into a game, and receiving more abuse, or witnessing more abuse, than anything else in the game.

Unless A.Net starts taking steps to solve this extreme problem, people are going to stop logging into such a foul mouthed online network.

Smoke · Jul 07, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Meo Yeong

You realize that they are just copying a tv show in what they are doing there thus why they think its right.

South Park - 209 - Chef`s Salty Chocolate Balls

And "everyone" should know that, as "everyone" watches South Park...

still offensive..

Taken · Jul 07, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

People do say things in game which offend me.

Depending on my mood and/or what they say, I either ignore it or confront them.

However, I would not like to have anyone moderating it.

Quite honestly, because, what I find offensive and what you find offensive are probably different things.

Take, for example, Christian guilds that spam for members. I have a guildie who finds that horribly offensive. Far more offensive than he finds anything you have posted here. It seems a bit silly to me, but there it is. Should we ban Christian guild spamming then?